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MetalMan · May 29, 2009, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Hey,

Well, after playing front or mid most of my GW PvP, i figured i'd try monk. I'm not too bad at holding up against pressure, but i'm finding it tricky to catch some spikes. I've not faced too many spikes - mostly iways or balanced - but i've faced rspike a few times and i'm finding it really difficult on how to catch it.

I've tried observing the arrows to see who they fly to, but i either choose the wrong target, or infuse too late. Is there any real tips on how to face this?

lolcopter · May 29, 2009, 10:16 AM // 10:16

As a prot, tell your midline to spread out. This makes watching the Rspikers target easier. Inbetween spikes the prot should spam prots (Guardian/SoA/RoF) on likely targets (guy with WoW/eles/infuse).

The infuse should pretty much do the same. Watch the direction the rangers face and pre-infuse the spike. If you're too bad to do this then I guess you should just reflex it.

Everyone but the frontliners should hide all the time. Move accordingly when the Rspikers try to move around a wall. Keep a permanent WoW on the infuser. Shutting down Vital/Brutal (or OoTV) is key to beating rspike. Try interrupting spikeskills. Chest Thumper/GlassArrows/Forked Arrow all make a big difference in the spike.

Warriors should never get killed in Frenzy vs Rspike; if they do they're bad at observing the battlefield.

Should any deaths occur, instantly WoW/Guardian the hardrezz. DPS'ing is pretty much discouraged vs Rspike.

Even with all of this you will die vs Rspike. Especially seeing as it's impossible to kill you should expect to lose against all but the very worst Rspikers.

dr love · May 29, 2009, 10:33 AM // 10:33

and kill favourable winds!!

Zzes Tyan · May 29, 2009, 11:14 AM // 11:14

kill favorable, their spike dies with favorable

Kronos Ledaloth · May 29, 2009, 12:41 PM // 12:41

You just have to pre-infuse and pre-prot all spikes. If you can do this, stop a r-spike would be easy, else you have to use only reflex and they don't works always

Masmar · May 29, 2009, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Just pick a target who is involved in every spike, so mostly the caller, and either click on who they turn too, or learn what people look like and red bar

Nadia Roark · May 29, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Don't listen to the people telling you to watch which direction the rangers are facing: with seven other people on your team it's too easy to pick the wrong target like you said. The best way to catch a rspike is to just sit on a ranger and wait for him to use forked arrow or dual shot. As soon as you see him start to use the ability, mouse over to the party window: the next player on your team to take damage will be the spike target. It might take some getting used to, but its a damn sight easier than trying to figure out which direction they're pointing, which is a fairly impossible undertaking especially on 3-team maps with tons of shit going on at once. Smart teams might be able to fake spike, but in my experience those don't usually work out so well for rspike.

I think lolcopter is overrating the build ever so slightly; it can have a powerful spike but I've only lost to rspike once in the last month. As long as you can keep some obstacle between you and the spikers like he mentioned, you should be alright. Underworld and Burial Mounds are especially good for this, but a good rspike on Dark Chambers might be a little trickier to hide from.

[Morkai] · May 29, 2009, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Hi Dave. .

Gift3d · May 29, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51

What nadia said, watching where rangers are pointing you should be doing but isn't reliable half the time. Sometimes it'll be clear who they're spiking, most of the time it won't be. Just watch for forked and have good reaction time.

dr love · May 29, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

cast heal party on spikes. you can't lose!

Reverend Dr · May 30, 2009, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Also yell at your frontline/midline. If they are competent and you are supporting them then the R-spike should only get off one good spike.

ImpressiveSkilled · Jun 01, 2009, 11:00 AM // 11:00

Watch the spikes and redbar..

Nimble Night · Jun 01, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51

R-spike, in my opinion, is the most fun build to monk against. First of all your team needs to keep favourable winds down. Once the spirit is dead it slows the spikes down considerably.

Secondly, you need to be very vocal about your teams positioning. Call people out who are holding hands and making it hard to follow their spikes.

You want to get in a good position where you are able to see one or more rangers clearly, but also have your entire team in your line of sight.

You need to prioritise targets. Your mesmer will be causing their team problems, so you will want to guardian him occasionally when a ranger is standing too close, most likely attempting to dshot his diversion.

As the game starts 90% of spikes will attempt to spike down your mesmer on their first spike.

Throughout the game your mesmer will be one of their priority targets so make sure you are watching him constantly. When they are under pressure they will attempt to spike your warriors.

If you really cannot tell where the spike is going just remove the deep wound with LS and let your infuse have some action.

Your team will most likely chain a weapon on your infuser, so it is very unlikely a spike will go through on him. You will only need to focus on your infuser if the weapon is interrupted.

It does take practice, but assuming your team is doing all that they can to help you out, it shouldn't take long to get the hang of it.

II Lucky Charm II · Jun 02, 2009, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Do not listen to any of the above comments. From my experience, you should re-size your party member chart so that it covers your entire screen then use your reflex to infuse. This, of course, is not a joke since it is fairly possible to catch spikes using reflex alone. Be aware of your latency and reflex time since it can be a major factor in helping you infuse. Whenever you see a redbar dropping down drastically, immediately select that target and infuse.

If you're a prot, then re size your party member to half screen size then repeat the same step. However, you should telepathic strategy to do it.

Nimble Night · Jun 02, 2009, 08:37 AM // 08:37

Reflexing spikes is not only poor practice, its inefficient and unreliable. No it's not easy, but it is what separates a bad monk from a good one. If your team is doing a poor job of shutting the spike down, many of the spikes may be perfect. They may also be painfully obvious, but if you have red party bars covering your screen you wouldn't be able to notice this.

caeleth · Jun 02, 2009, 10:18 AM // 10:18

get your prot to use SB

Nadia Roark · Jun 02, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Do not listen to any of the above comments. From my experience, you should re-size your party member chart so that it covers your entire screen then use your reflex to infuse....

This is a joke, right?

NaturesRenewal[Deer] · Jun 02, 2009, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Don't listen to the people telling you to watch which direction the rangers are facing: with seven other people on your team it's too easy to pick the wrong target like you said. The best way to catch a rspike is to just sit on a ranger and wait for him to use forked arrow or dual shot. As soon as you see him start to use the ability, mouse over to the party window: the next player on your team to take damage will be the spike target. It might take some getting used to, but its a damn sight easier than trying to figure out which direction they're pointing, which is a fairly impossible undertaking especially on 3-team maps with tons of shit going on at once. Smart teams might be able to fake spike, but in my experience those don't usually work out so well for rspike.

I think lolcopter is overrating the build ever so slightly; it can have a powerful spike but I've only lost to rspike once in the last month. As long as you can keep some obstacle between you and the spikers like he mentioned, you should be alright. Underworld and Burial Mounds are especially good for this, but a good rspike on Dark Chambers might be a little trickier to hide from.

rank 9 iway pnh monk giving people advice on how to stop ranger spike lol

Nadia Roark · Jun 02, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

What? PnH has been good for how long now? I got all my fame as a PnH? Huh... I didn't know that.

Even assuming that's all I've ever done, that bar does have SB which means catching rspike is (mostly) my responsibility. I'll grant that it's easier to catch rspike with 4 hard targets instead of balance squishies, but I just don't think rspike is as powerful now as it used to be, for whatever reason. Maybe it's just the teams.

NaturesRenewal[Deer] · Jun 02, 2009, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

What? PnH has been good for how long now? I got all my fame as a PnH? Huh... I didn't know that.

Even assuming that's all I've ever done, that bar does have SB which means catching rspike is (mostly) my responsibility. I'll grant that it's easier to catch rspike with 4 hard targets instead of balance squishies, but I just don't think rspike is as powerful now as it used to be, for whatever reason. Maybe it's just the teams.

haha no man im just trolling you
i agree with the fact that rspike is trash now, and i was going to post some stuff about how to stop it but fact of the matter is it sucks so bad now that i shouldnt even bother so i just made fun of you